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26World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:06 pm

Gauz



The Imperial representative retorts "You haven't seen hostility it would seem. I am simply expressing the opinions of the Imperial Emperor on his behalf as he would want them to be expressed."

27World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:22 am

Ruski

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The Representative of the Moscow Union stands and speaks:

"The Moscow Union fully supports the location of Germany. The representative would also like to present that if a new location, one in which nations, once elected to some form of security council that would have to be motioned to be created and carried forth, could protect and mensure the continued process by which we go about here."

28World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:52 pm

dragoon9105

dragoon9105

The world is much smaller than it once was, where as antartica was a barren wasteland almost unreachable a century ago, the NIC has Built under the frozen wastes, the harbors remain ice free and constant trade and travel exist between Antartica and the rest of the world. The National Antartic Weather and Subterra Company has provided a geometrically stable area within NIC soil for the UUU headquarters to be built. This includes room for an airport and a canal system leading to the coast.

Surplus Aircraft and ships can be provided to transport more northern members of the UUU, closer members can provide thier own transport.

Means of Travel and travel times wont be a concern.

29World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:24 pm

laxspartan007



*The represenitive of UUS stands*

"Distance, Defence, Past...those seem to be the biggest topics and resons why the Head Quarters should be located somewhere."

"Antartica is equil distant from north america and europe, it may be cold but that just makes it an undisireable place to attack, witch leads me to Defence, Antartica unlike anyone else has the envirnment on its side, if you for some reson choose to attack it, your infantry will freeze and die, your tanks will freeze over and stop rolling if not maintained, your ships could be punctured by ice and sink...it doesnt need a great defence force, and in the past, Antartica hasnt been owned by anyone, hasnt participated in any wars, it is simply nutral...it is just like switzerland exept seperated from the rest of the world"

30World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:23 pm

nocbl2



*The URS representative stands*

The URS proposes that the building be erected on a popularly visited island in the Atlantic or Pacific, seeing as both oceans are all that stands between most of the member countries.

31World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:49 pm

BBJynne

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Sibaristan responds curtly, "A full six member nations are connected to neither ocean directly. I suggest the representative from United Scandinavia refresh his knowledge of our members."

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32World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:02 am

Rotaretilbo



"I am not sure I follow your logic," the German ambassador says to the UUS ambassador. "The very reason it is not feasible is because of the cold. Tanks are not the only things that must be carefully maintained in frigid temperatures. Flying in by helicopter would be foolish at best and impossible at worse, and even fixed wing aircraft would have to be carefully maintained and specially built to ferry ambassadors to and from the building. And that is assuming that the weather, which is very sporadic and difficult to predict is clear at the time. Occasions shall arise in which it may be expected for high ranking officials of nations to travel to the UUU headquarters, and it would simply not make sense to then place the UUU headquarters in a place that is dangerous just to travel to.

And while the NIC compound is equidistant from most of the nations represented here at the UUU, it is also the most isolated, furthest area from most of those nations. Save for a handful of nations, such as your own nation, traveling to the NIC compound would be extremely inconvenient and inherently dangerous due to the conditions.

Furthermore, placing the UUU in the NIC compound will mean that it is solely in the care of the NIC, for conditions would be just as harsh if any outside nation attempted to lend support as for any invading nations."

Turning back to the main audience, "The reason I bring up the East and the West is that I do not believe that either will be satisfied if the other is given the honor. I believe that the very fact that, upon seeing a Western nation requesting the honor of hosting, China made a request of its own evidences this general unrest between the two. That is what makes Germany so ideal. The means to protect the UUU headquarters, the convenience to easily travel to and from, and the neutrality to allow both the East and the West to remain even in standing are what make Germany such an ideal host.

Let us linger a moment on geographical convenience." The German ambassador goes to a computer and brings up several charts. I have compiled a list of all UUU members and their proximity to the four nations requesting to host the headquarters. The nation that is collectively furthest and thus least convenient is, as expected, the National Imperial Coalition. Here is a list of other UUU members from closest to furthest.

National Imperial Coalition
United Utopian States: 2800 miles

United Peoples of South Africa: 4800 miles

Federated States of Bolivia: 5100 miles
New Guinea: 5100 miles

Victoria: 6900 miles

Empire of the Rising Sun: 7900 miles

Saharan Confederacy: 8400 miles
China: 8900 miles

Eagleland: 9200 miles
Superior: 9500 miles
Usonia: 9500 miles
Democratic People's Republic of Sibaristan: 9600 miles

Alaska: 10000 miles
German Empire: 10500 miles
Kingdom of Denmark: 10700 miles
Soviet Republic of the Moscow Union: 10700 miles

Finland: 11000 miles
United Republic of Scandinavia: 11400 miles

As you can see, there are only two nations within 5000 miles of the NIC, and six nations which are at least 10000 miles away. The average distance of UUU nations (other than the NIC) from the NIC is about 8500 miles. In third place, we have Usonia. Here is the same data for them.

Usonia
Superior: 300
Eagleland: 600

Alaska: 2700

United Republic of Scandinavia: 3800

Kingdom of Denmark: 4000
Finland: 4200
German Empire: 4200
Soviet Republic of the Moscow Union: 4700

Federated States of Bolivia: 5000
Saharan Confederacy: 5900

China: 6000
Democratic People's Republic of Sibaristan: 6000
Empire of the Rising Sun: 6400

Victoria: 7500

United Utopian States: 8400
New Guinea: 8500
United Peoples of South Africa: 8500

National Imperial Coalition: 9500

Unlike the NIC, Usonia has nine nations within 5000 miles of it and none that are at least than 10000 miles away. The average distance of UUU nations (other than Usonia) from Usonia is just 5300 miles. In second place, just barely beating Usonia is China. Here is their data.

China
Empire of the Rising Sun: 1100
Democratic People's Republic of Sibaristan: 1300

Alaska: 3200
Soviet Republic of the Moscow Union: 3400
Finland: 3700
United Republic of Scandinavia: 3700
New Guinea: 3800

Kingdom of Denmark: 4400
German Empire: 4600

Superior: 5600

Saharan Confederacy: 6000
Usonia: 6000
Eagleland: 6300
Victoria: 6500
United Utopian States: 6700

United Peoples of South Africa: 8100
National Imperial Coalition: 8900

Federated States of Bolivia: 10800

Now, while China has nine nations within 5000 miles of it but one nation at least 10000 miles away, the average distance of UUU nations (other than China) from China is 5200 miles. Finally, most conveniently placed, we have the German Empire.

German Empire
Kingdom of Denmark: 200
Finland: 800
United Republic of Scandinavia: 900

Soviet Republic of the Moscow Union: 1000

Saharan Confederacy: 2300

Democratic People's Republic of Sibaristan: 3200
Victoria: 3900

Eagleland: 4000
Alaska: 4200
Superior: 4200
Usonia: 4200
China: 4600

Empire of the Rising Sun: 5600
United Peoples of South Africa: 5700

Federated States of Bolivia: 6700

New Guinea: 8200

National Imperial Coalition: 10500
United Utopian States: 11300

At twelve, the majority of UUU nations are within 5000 miles of Germany, and only two are at least 10000 miles away. Furthermore, the average distance of UUU nations (other than the German Empire) from Germany is a mere 4500 miles.

Geographically, Germany is a stronger contender than any of the other potential hosts.

Militarily, Germany is a stronger contender than any of the other potential hosts.

Neutrally, Germany is a stronger contender than any of the other potential hosts.

I think the choice here is obvious."

33World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:04 pm

dragoon9105

dragoon9105

Geographically: The NIC has offered to provide both Transportation for diplomats, Travel is not a hard thing in this day and age. The Jet engine has taken the time it takes to reach any country or place and cut it in half. Not including supersonic flight, which most diplomatic aircraft from the NIC are capable of.

Militarily: The NIC's location for the UUU is in a politically stable and easily defended region. The NIC's Standing army while not large rivals even germanies when it comes down to training and tactics. Combined with the terrain of the antartic the UUU will be in the safest point on the planet. Germany has time and again been bombed and destroyed from the air land and sea, hardly a safe place if i say so myself.

Politically what a better place for an Unbaised union of countries in the world than in a place that has encountered no previous war, no genocide. There are no ruins of bloody battles past in Antartica, It is a fresh slate, a pure neutral unbaised state where people may live from all nations colors and backrounds. Like New York in the past. What better place to put a World capitol than in a place with every nationality living there peacefully and productively already.

Also on the distance argument, Germany has two nations over 10,000 miles away while china only has one. China would be a better place if we are basing this compromise on simple travel convience for diplomats.

34World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:00 pm

Rotaretilbo



"I see no point in moving the UUU headquarters to the single most out of the way, inconvenient, and naturally unstable nation on the sole premise of symbolism.

And you can't have it both ways, I'm afraid. Either jet travel to the NIC is difficult and diplomats will be in danger just traveling to there, or jet travel to the NIC is easy, and the NIC is just as likely to be bombed as Germany or any other nation, though, given the sheer size of the German military, a nation would have to be crazy to try and bomb us. And it is well known that German soldiers are among the best trained and most disciplined in all the world. While the NIC is forced to devote time, money, and research just to survive in the harsh conditions of Antarctica, Germany has devoted a great deal to training its soldiers. Do not belittle the dedication and sacrifice of the German soldiers by claiming the NIC military can make up for being a sixth the size simply because your infantry have a little more training than the average nation. German soldiers, infantry, tankers, pilots, sailors, all of them, are among the most disciplined and combat effective in the world. And keep in mind that the NIC has never known war. The German military is hardened and experienced.

And your logic concerning China is confusing. If the number of nations inconvenienced is reason to choose China over Germany, than should not Usonia be the prime choice, having just as many close nations and fewer far nations? However, in both cases, the inconvenience of one or two nations (China and Usonia, respectively) is outweighed by the convenience of three nations, and the general convenience of all members. Germany is the only UUU nation of the four choices that a majority of UUU nations are within 5000 miles of, and it isn't a marginal majority, either. Fully two thirds of UUU nations are within 5000 miles of Germany, not counting Germany itself. Four of the eighteen UUU nations (again, excluding the host) are within 1000 miles of Germany, twice that of Usonia. China and the NIC cannot eve boast this. Eight nations are within 4000 miles of Germany, one more than with China, and nearly twice that of Usonia (and, of course, eight times that of the NIC). Of the six nations that are not within 5000 miles of Germany, half are within 7000 miles and half are at least 7000 miles out. Of the nine nations that are not within 5000 miles of China, two thirds are within 7000 miles and one third are at least 7000 miles out (though it should be noted that one third of nine is equal to half six). Of the nine nations that are not within 5000 miles of Usonia, less than half are within 7000 miles and the majority are at least 7000 miles out. And, of the sixteen nations that are not within 5000 miles of the NIC, only three are within 7000 miles, while the other thirteen are at least 7000 miles out. Geographically, Germany just makes more sense." The German diplomat brings up another chart on the display. "Here is a list of UUU nations and the closest of the four bidders, excluding the four bidders themselves.

Alaska: Usonia
Democratic People's Republic of Sibaristan: China
Eagleland: Usonia
Empire of the Rising Sun: China
Federated States of Bolivia: Usonia
Finland: German Empire
Kingdom of Denmark: German Empire
New Guinea: China
Saharan Confederacy: German Empire
Soviet Republic of the Moscow Union: German Empire
Superior: Usonia
United Peoples of South Africa: National Imperial Coalition
United Republic of Scandinavia: German Empire
United Utopian States: National Imperial Coalition
Victoria: German Empire

Two nations are closest to the NIC, three are closest to China, four are closest to Usonia, and six are closest to Germany."

35World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:51 pm

Gauz



The Japanese spokesman speaks to the NIC representative "I can't help but notice that- with your last statement- you indirectly mocked the German government of being incapable of hosting the UUU Headuquarter due to a troubled past? I do not think that is a fair arguement at all, The Fourth Reich is currently more than capable of holding the HQ of the UUU in Germany.

I also find it hard to believe that location and "training" makes the NIC a more defendable location. The only area in which you exceed in is infantry training. I refuse to rely on infantry and "Indigo" teams to defend the Head Quarters. The Imperial Empire is a more easily defendable nation than the NIC!"

36World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:52 pm

laxspartan007



"Hahaha, Ahem"

*the UUS represenitive sits and laughs to himself*

37World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:38 pm

dragoon9105

dragoon9105

We should not build a Headquarters with the thought process that we are going to have it attacked and that it needs defending, we should have a headquarters established in a democratic state, one free from tyranny, to represent to the rest of the world what peace and democracy is, Placing it in a country ruled by Military dictatorship goes against everything a world union stands for

38World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:47 pm

BBJynne

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Victoria's representative speaks, "Not all members of this World Union do not have democratic models of government. I would be careful saying that our headquarters should be in a place representing democracy, as you put it." He gestures to the NIC representative.

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39World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:49 pm

Rotaretilbo



"Your insults against the German nation and people are many. One must question the judgment or dedication to the UUU of the NIC if the ambassador appointed cannot even observe basic tact and diplomacy.

And the defensibility of the UUU is just one of many points. A point that you were quick to lay claim to, and quicker to try and discredit that claim when it is clearly a point in favor of Germany. Germany is also the heart of neutrality, the center line between the East and the West, and geographically ideal."

40World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:05 pm

laxspartan007



"If Germany is so neutral, why has it begun long 'talks' with other countries behind closed doors, such as Denmark and Japan?"

(Usonia knew, why cant everyone else know of the meetings?)

41World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:16 pm

Rotaretilbo



"Germany has been very careful with her promises to other nations. We currently have one, and only one ally: our close neighbor Denmark. We have promised military aid only to Denmark and only Denmark. To others, we have only promised trade and/or to declare war through the proper channels before any sort of attack is made against another nation.

Our closed door session with Denmark and Japan, if you must know, was concerning the potential formation of a league, one that Japan wished to form, but talks have been postponed with no agreement yet being reached."

42World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:34 pm

laxspartan007



"well isnt the world union just a large league, small leagues being mmade inside of this one would defeat the point of the world union"

43World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:39 pm

dragoon9105

dragoon9105

The NIC would like to reference the Events preceeding world war 1

Secret backdoor alliances and promises will only lead to disaster, The Union's job is the handle military conflict among other things. Those who wish to hide those dealings will not have the best intentions for the world union.

44World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:42 pm

Gauz



The Japanese rep jumps up and glares at the UUS diplomat "I find it quite disturbing that you would laugh at the representative of the Imperial Japanese Empire. Is that how you represent yourself and your nation? I can't help but feel offended, and quite frankly, disgusted that you would disrespect us like that!

And what are you accusing us of? Of conspiring against the UUU? Planning to start wars and cause unrest? Ludicrous! You'd be wise to watch your tongue in here..."

45World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:44 pm

dragoon9105

dragoon9105

Respect, you have already shown blatant disrespect to many of the members here, except germany and a few select others who have kept themselves quiet. Perhaps you should sit down please

46World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:48 pm

Rotaretilbo



"And Germany's dealings have always been public knowledge. We made no more effort to conceal that we were meeting with Japan or Denmark than the NIC did to conceal that it was meeting with the the UPSA or Usonia. We have been very careful to whom we make promises, and what we promise."

47World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:49 pm

Gauz



"I only disrespect those deserving it..." says the rep as he sits back in his seat.

48World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:40 pm

dragoon9105

dragoon9105

Now if there are no more outbursts, I would like to restate that the UUU headquarters should not be in a place where the military is not just the prominent element in society but also the ruling one.

Like Geneva and New york before it a democratic union of nations should be located in a democratic and neutral state. A nation only held together by an oppressive military regime should not represent what the UUU stands for. The UUU headquarters should be nowhere near such a place.

49World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:51 pm

Rotaretilbo



"We take deep insult that you would imply that simply because the military rules Germany, we must therefore be oppressive and hold the nation together through brute strength. How anyone can expect a nation so clearly biased against fellow members of the UUU to be neutral is beyond me.

We do not insult your system of government, though it is different than our own. We do not insult your military, though it is differet than our own. We do not insult your climate, though it is differet than our own.

We point out simple facts. Germany is more convenient, better suited to defend, and just as neutral. And you respond with insults!

And you may wish to recall your history. The United States has not been known for its neutrality since the first World War. And, to my knowledge, New York was only chosen as a location for the United Nations because, at the time of choosing, the entirety of Europe was being rebuilt in the aftermath of the second World War."

50World Union Assembly - Page 2 Empty Re: World Union Assembly Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:57 pm

laxspartan007



"we at the UUS would like to point out that all governments that were based around military and had military dictatorship were in the past oppresive, simple fact not saying that yours is just that all of them were, in some way oppressive"

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